Doctor Who family tree
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daibhidc(I've given up trying to get this to look right in a proportional font. Please cut-and-paste into Notepad, and you should see it properly. Sorry.)
Anyway, daft idea that occured to me a couple of days ago when I was thinking about how much of the Doctor's family history was revealed in the books, even as they insisted they were bringing back the mystery. It'd have been up then, but, as mentioned above, I kept trying to get it to look right.
(Edit: Thanks to![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
pedanther, I now know how to set it to a non-proportional font. So I've done that, and also fixed a spelling mistake, and a bit where it didn't seem to line up right. It should be OK now.)
(Further edit: Following an anonymous responder who asked, I've added Jenny from "The Doctor's Daughter".)
(Further further edit: Now with the Doctor-Donna and Susan's kids from "Legacy of the Daleks"!)
(Yet another edit: Reread Unnatural History and the character who's probably Ulysses is married to a woman called Anne, probably based on the Doctor's father's second wife in one of the unmade film scripts. And Susan and David have a son in the audio "An Earthly Child".)
(Yet another edit: Suddenly realised I should probably add River. And since I'm including clones, probably the Ganger Doctor as well.)
Notes for anyone who isn't a total anorak:
Penelope Gate first appeared in the Virgin New Adventures novel "The Room With No Doors" by Kate Orman, as a time-traveling Victorian scientist/adventuress. This was the second-to-last Seventh Doctor stories, so was probably written in the knowledge the Doctor was half-human in the TV Movie.
Ulysses was going to be the name of the Doctor's father in various films that weren't made. In the BBC Book Eight Doctor Adventures novel "Unnatural History" by Orman and Jon Blum, we meet Daniel Joyce [Joyce -> James Joyce -> Ulysses], who interestingly claims *not* to be a Time Lord, but is strongly hinted to be the Doctor's father, and has a photo of himself, a woman who resembles Penelope Gate, and a young girl. Hence the unnamed daughter.
Ulysses and Penelope finally appeared as more or less definitely the Doctor's parents (and with the descriptions matching the above) in the EDA "The Gallifrey Chronicles" by Lance Parkin. This also featured the Master's father, which is why he's not on the tree, no matter *how* many fan theories there are that he's the Doctor's brother.
"The Other's biodata" (and, indeed, the House of Lungbarrow) is a reference to the Cartmel Masterplan. If you don't know what that is, you really don't want me to try to explain it. Find a synopsis of "Lungbarrow" by Marc Platt. Note that I've ignored that book's revelation that Susan is the Other's granddaughter, because I think it's been overtaken by later events.
Irving Braxiatel was invented by Justin Richards in the NA "Theatre of War" and revealed to be the Doctor's brother in the Doctorless NA "Tears of the Oracle", also by Richards. Simon Winstone, who was editing the NAs at that time, is also the script editor of the current series, in which the Doctor implies he once had a brother.
Patience is the Doctor's ex in "Cold Fusion" and "The Infinity Doctors", both by Parkin. It's not clear she's Susan's grandmother (hence the ?), but she's the best candidate in a field of one.
Susan is the Doctor's granddaughter from "An Unearthly Child". If you didn't know that, the rest of this must be utter gibberish. Sorry.
John and Gillian are from TV Comic. They have question marks against them because both the books and the DWM comic strip have explained they don't exist. This is frankly the simplest option, but if I hadn't mentioned them someone would have pointed it out.
The Doctor adopted Miranda in the EDA "Father Time" by Lance Parkin (again). Her daughter Zezanne appears in the EDA "Sometime Never..." by Justin Richards (again). The degree of homonymity between "Susan" and "Zezanne" is not a coincidence, but I'd rather explain the Cartmell Masterplan...
So, anyone I missed?
Anyway, daft idea that occured to me a couple of days ago when I was thinking about how much of the Doctor's family history was revealed in the books, even as they insisted they were bringing back the mystery. It'd have been up then, but, as mentioned above, I kept trying to get it to look right.
(Edit: Thanks to
pedanther, I now know how to set it to a non-proportional font. So I've done that, and also fixed a spelling mistake, and a bit where it didn't seem to line up right. It should be OK now.)(Further edit: Following an anonymous responder who asked, I've added Jenny from "The Doctor's Daughter".)
(Further further edit: Now with the Doctor-Donna and Susan's kids from "Legacy of the Daleks"!)
(Yet another edit: Reread Unnatural History and the character who's probably Ulysses is married to a woman called Anne, probably based on the Doctor's father's second wife in one of the unmade film scripts. And Susan and David have a son in the audio "An Earthly Child".)
(Yet another edit: Suddenly realised I should probably add River. And since I'm including clones, probably the Ganger Doctor as well.)
The Doctor's Family Tree
Augustus Tabetha
Pond----------?
Assorted Cousins, Elders etc. |
of the House of Lungbarrow | Wilf
| Brian | Mott----?
Ulysses of the Williams----? | |
Anne Prydonian College | | |
(Baker?)---- and Penelope | | Sylvia Geoff
House of Lungbarrow---- Gate (The Other's | | Mott ----Noble
| biodata?) Rory Amy |
____________________|___________ | Williams----Pond |
| | | | | Donna Noble
| | | | | |
daughter? Irving Patience?----The Doctor------------River Song |
Braxiatel | | | |
| | |__________________________________ |
| | | | | |
| |_______ | | | |
| | | | | |
?----? Miranda----? Jenny Ganger Doctor
| Dawkins | (Opposite Doctor -Donna
________|_______ (adopted) | sex clone) (clone) (clone)
| | | |
David ----Susan John? Gillian? Zezanne
Campbell | Foreman
|
_________________|________________
| | | |
Ian Barbara David Alex
Campbell Campbell Campbell Jr Campbell
(adopted) (adopted) (adopted)
Notes for anyone who isn't a total anorak:
Penelope Gate first appeared in the Virgin New Adventures novel "The Room With No Doors" by Kate Orman, as a time-traveling Victorian scientist/adventuress. This was the second-to-last Seventh Doctor stories, so was probably written in the knowledge the Doctor was half-human in the TV Movie.
Ulysses was going to be the name of the Doctor's father in various films that weren't made. In the BBC Book Eight Doctor Adventures novel "Unnatural History" by Orman and Jon Blum, we meet Daniel Joyce [Joyce -> James Joyce -> Ulysses], who interestingly claims *not* to be a Time Lord, but is strongly hinted to be the Doctor's father, and has a photo of himself, a woman who resembles Penelope Gate, and a young girl. Hence the unnamed daughter.
Ulysses and Penelope finally appeared as more or less definitely the Doctor's parents (and with the descriptions matching the above) in the EDA "The Gallifrey Chronicles" by Lance Parkin. This also featured the Master's father, which is why he's not on the tree, no matter *how* many fan theories there are that he's the Doctor's brother.
"The Other's biodata" (and, indeed, the House of Lungbarrow) is a reference to the Cartmel Masterplan. If you don't know what that is, you really don't want me to try to explain it. Find a synopsis of "Lungbarrow" by Marc Platt. Note that I've ignored that book's revelation that Susan is the Other's granddaughter, because I think it's been overtaken by later events.
Irving Braxiatel was invented by Justin Richards in the NA "Theatre of War" and revealed to be the Doctor's brother in the Doctorless NA "Tears of the Oracle", also by Richards. Simon Winstone, who was editing the NAs at that time, is also the script editor of the current series, in which the Doctor implies he once had a brother.
Patience is the Doctor's ex in "Cold Fusion" and "The Infinity Doctors", both by Parkin. It's not clear she's Susan's grandmother (hence the ?), but she's the best candidate in a field of one.
Susan is the Doctor's granddaughter from "An Unearthly Child". If you didn't know that, the rest of this must be utter gibberish. Sorry.
John and Gillian are from TV Comic. They have question marks against them because both the books and the DWM comic strip have explained they don't exist. This is frankly the simplest option, but if I hadn't mentioned them someone would have pointed it out.
The Doctor adopted Miranda in the EDA "Father Time" by Lance Parkin (again). Her daughter Zezanne appears in the EDA "Sometime Never..." by Justin Richards (again). The degree of homonymity between "Susan" and "Zezanne" is not a coincidence, but I'd rather explain the Cartmell Masterplan...
So, anyone I missed?
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Date: 2007-05-12 03:15 pm (UTC)I thought John and Gillian were the Doctor's niece and nephew.
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Date: 2007-05-13 05:50 am (UTC)The Doctor does have a niece called Jenny, though.
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Date: 2007-05-13 11:41 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-13 01:58 pm (UTC)...in other news, the internet seems to be unaware of the idea that Jenny is the Doctor's niece, leading to the possibility that either
(a) whichever book I originally read it in was wrong; or
(b) my memory of reading whichever book it was is wrong.
*adopts "Look over there! A three-headed monkey!" stance*
I assume Doctor Who's niece Louise is explicitly excluded?
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Date: 2007-05-13 02:13 pm (UTC)I also didn't include the Doctor's neice Lyria, from the unmade films, because, unlike Ulysses, she never made it into an official story.
James and Jenny are on Wikipedia now, although without any details, 'cos I've never seen it.
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Date: 2007-05-13 05:47 am (UTC)Assorted Cousins, Elders etc of the House of Lungbarrow | Ulysses of the Prydonian College and Penelope House of Lungbarrow---- Gate | (The Other's biodata?) ____________|___________________ | | | | | | | | | daughter? Irving Patience----The Doctor Braxiatal | |__________ | | ?----? Miranda----? ____________|__________ (adopted) | | | | | David----Susan John? Gillian? Zezanne Campbell ForemanYes! It does!
(Also: You misspelled "Braxiatel".)
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Date: 2007-05-13 11:17 am (UTC)Missing
Date: 2010-02-06 01:33 pm (UTC)David Campbell Junior, Barbara Campbell and Ian Campbell who was adopted and Alex Campbell, who is their biological child
Also, it was stated... somewhere... do not remember where, I think It was a novel, that the Doctor had a son as well as a daughter, who became Susan's mother
You also missed out The Clone Doctor (I know we did not know about him at the time) and Donna, who would, somehow, fit the bill as his mother as the Doctor's hand and her made the clone, who then, presumably married Rose, you will need to add Peter Tyler and Jackie in, along with Parallel Peter Tyler and Tony Tyler, son of Jackie and Parallel Peter Tyler
You also need to add that the Doctor's children would be 1/4 human as their father, the Doctor, is 1/2 human, this means that Susan is 1/8 human, on her mother's side. This means that Jenny is 1/4 human as well.
Re: Missing
Date: 2010-02-08 08:05 am (UTC)That would be the case if she had a non-human mother, but she didn't. Either the Doctor was her only parent, in which case she's exactly as human as he is, or there were bits of other donors mixed in - which, since the people of that world were human colonists, would make her more human than him, not less.
Re: Missing
Date: 2010-02-10 09:45 pm (UTC)Re: Missing
Date: 2010-02-11 11:27 am (UTC)In any event, this is all thrown into confusion by the fact that when Doctor-Donna was created, the Doctor reacted as though a half-human half-TimeLord was an unthinkable thing, and he'd never seen the like before.
Re: Missing
Date: 2010-02-11 08:43 pm (UTC)Also, are you going to Add David Campbell, and their three adopted children David Campbell Jr, Ian Campbell and Barbara Campbell, and their biological child Alex?????
Re: Missing
Date: 2010-02-14 02:15 pm (UTC)Where are Susan and David's kids mentioned? I've tracked down a DWM short story which mentions Barbara, but none of the others.
Re: Missing
Date: 2010-02-16 06:10 pm (UTC)At the bottom, that is Ian, Barbara and David Campbell Jr
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Ian_Campbell
here is alex
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Alex_Campbell
I have also checked
Miranda's surname is Dawkins, so presumably, Zuzanne is too
If you read the Paul McGann script on here, it states that Borusa (Renamed Barusa) is the Doctor's grandfather
http://dailypop.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/doctor-who-the-missing-scripts/
Re: Missing
Date: 2010-02-16 08:06 pm (UTC)I'm not sure unused scripts are canon, especially when they also say the Master is the Doctor's father or uncle. I'm adding the rest, though.
Re: Missing
Date: 2010-02-19 03:25 pm (UTC)Re: Missing
Date: 2010-02-19 03:27 pm (UTC)The Doctor Donna is what DONNA became, not the 10 clone that was created...
Re: Missing
Date: 2010-02-19 04:38 pm (UTC)Re: Missing
Date: 2010-02-19 05:07 pm (UTC)but it is too hard to rearrange it on this website... so... unless we find someway to send each other emails so you can post it up...
Re: Missing
Date: 2010-08-29 04:06 pm (UTC)Just need to add River now, as she herself, doesn't deny the marriage between her and the Doctor (Time of Angels/Flesh of Stone) so It is very likely that she married him as that would be the only time he would tell anyone his name.
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Date: 2010-03-14 03:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-10-23 06:20 pm (UTC)The Doctor's sister, the daughter you marked with a ? had two daughters, Lyria and Jenny.
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Date: 2011-01-23 03:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-02-04 12:18 pm (UTC)Occam's razor says not to assume anything that makes the tree any more complicated.
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Date: 2009-10-04 09:30 pm (UTC)Great informative post!
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Date: 2011-12-27 12:15 pm (UTC)http://www.familyecho.com/?p=IAJ7L&c=an4ah1tffu&f=554434061759297672
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