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As all Discworld fans know[1], the new novel is out in November and involves steam trains being introduced to the Disc. And the reaction I've seen includes a lot of comments to the effect of "Discworld advances from medieval fantasy to the Victorian period" or even "Discworld goes steampunk!" And these comments annoy me, because they're wrong.

We'll start with the second one. Trains aren't steampunk. There is nothing steampunk about "The Signalman", Murder on the Orient Express or Thomas the Tank Engine. Steampunk is about things that didn't really exist in the Victorian era, most often advanced mechanical computers. And the Disc already has an advanced mechanical computer, albeit one that's powered by magic and biological components rather than steam.

Which brings me to the first point. Discworld hasn't been medieval for years. It already has many of the trappings of the Victorian era, including newspapers, pocket watches, the Penny Post, an optical telegraph system, department stores with Hosgwatch Grottoes, paper money, flushing lavatories, a Football Association, and people wearing cravats and top hats. It also has magical equivalents to cameras (including speed cameras), PDAs, a nuclear power station, and - as mentioned - a mainframe computer. Trying to map it directly onto any period of Roundworld history is ludicrous.

And that's all assuming that this is a permenant addition like the clacks and the newspapers, and won't be neatly removed by the end of the book like the moving pictures and music with rocks in. In which case, the Disc hasn't really gone anywhere. (Although, admittedly, Terry seems to be less inclined to do that these days.)

[1]Or possibly not, there was a woman behind me at Ad Lib who went "Ooh!" when Pterry mentioned it, leading me to wonder if she didn't have the internet.

Date: 2013-08-31 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhiannon-s.livejournal.com
Thomas the Tank Engine isn't steampunk? Gotta disagree there, sapient, autonomous trains with giant faces on their boilerplates to interact with humans (and humans who wear a variety of costumes, from the every day to the rather absurd); that is very steam punk. I'll agree the execution is a bit borderline, but now imagine the exact same scenario only drawn by Chris Bachalo and its steampunk cred would be beyond dispute.

Date: 2013-08-31 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daibhid-c.livejournal.com
Yeah, maybe. But by that argument Bob the Builder is dieselpunk...

Date: 2013-08-31 10:17 pm (UTC)
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I have to admit, I didn't know. But for the last 18 months, if it was Discworld but wasn't mentioned on LJ, I almost certainly didn't know about whatever it was. (I also discovered today that I failed to obtain a circular tuit re con membership for just a little too long...)

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